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"There are only four countries in the world that ... legalize abortion after five months -- China, North Korea, Canada and the U.S."

Carly Fiorina on Sunday, August 18th, 2013 in an interview on ABC's "This Week"

Only four countries 'legalize abortion after 5 months,' Carly Fiorina says

Former Republican Senate candidate Carly Fiorina talked abortion on ABC’s This Week on Aug. 18, 2013. When host George Stephanopoulos pointed out Republicans’ failure to capture the single-woman vote in 2012, she responded by saying, "I think first we have to turn it around by having reasonable discussions around the things that are labeled extreme."

The former Hewlett Packard CEO went on to say that many Republicans are abortion rights advocates, and that Texas Gov. Rick Perry was not making an "extreme" move by tightening regulations on abortions.

"There are only four countries in the world that have -- that legalize abortion after five months -- China, North Korea, Canada and the U.S," Fiorina said.

We won’t delve into the question of whether Texas’ law is extreme. In this fact-check, we’ll focus on whether only four countries have legal abortion after five months. For the purposes of evaluating this claim, we’ll set five months equal to 20 weeks, since Fiorina was referring to Texas’ new law, which restricts abortions after that time.

What the laws say

The U.S. requirements for legally obtaining an abortion vary by state, but the national standard was handed down from the Supreme Court in Roe v. Wade in 1973. Lawmakers and physicians refer to the point at which a fetus can survive outside the uterus as "viability." The decision sets the standard that mothers can choose to have an abortion until the point of viability. In citing the leading obstetics publication as a guide, the ruling suggests viability starts at 24 weeks into the gestation period, which starts on the first day of the woman’s last menstrual period.

So women in the United States can get an abortion for any reason, not necessarily medical, until at least 24 weeks of gestation. This is known as elective abortion. After 24 weeks, or whenever the resident’s state prohibits elective abortion, the woman can get a therapeutic abortion under a few exceptions: life in danger, physical health or mental health.

China, North Korea and Canada do not have federally enforced limits on elective abortion. Gestation period restrictions in Canada, unlike the other two nations, are regulated at the local level, said Johanna Fine, a Center for Reproductive Rights spokeswoman. Provinces can range from 10 to 20 weeks for the maximum gestation period.

So Fiorina is mostly right about these four nations.

However, according to the Center for Reproductive Rights, which published a 2013 chart that several reproductive rights experts referred us to, Singapore and the Netherlands also fit Fiorina’s criteria. Both nations allow unrestricted abortion through week 24 of gestation, after which therapeutic abortion is possible.

Fiorina’s statement also leaves off an important qualifier. She doesn’t mention that there are dozens of countries that permit abortions after 20 weeks for different reasons.

Common exceptions to the gestational period requirement mean women may be able to get therapeutic abortions based on physical health, mental health or socioeconomic status. Fiorina’s point is that the four countries she listed all permit women to get abortions until about that time frame without any of those exceptions, but she omits the bit about exceptions.

Just 29 countries (here we include countries to mean independent states and semi-autonomous regions whose populations exceed one million) outlaw abortion entirely, with no exceptions to save the woman’s life. Thirty-seven other countries that routinely outlaw abortion, including Paraguay, Afghanistan and Uganda, make clear exceptions to save mothers.

Another 59 will do so in general to preserve the mother’s physical health on a broader scale, with Israel, New Zealand and others also accepting mental health reasons as valid exceptions. India and Japan belong to a group of 13 countries that grant even wider exceptions that include access to the procedure for socioeconomic reasons based on factors like age of the woman or very low income.

The remaining 61 countries legalize elective abortions with varying gestational period requirements, with the U.S., Canada, North Korea, China, Singapore and the Netherlands being the six countries with the widest acceptable time periods.

"It’s not so much whether abortion is legal, it’s under what circumstances it's legal," said Mindy Roseman, the Human Rights Program academic director at Harvard Law School. "Even where abortion is highly restricted, it’s legal for the health of the woman."

Our ruling

Fiorina said only four countries allow legal abortions five months into the gestational period. The United States, Canada, North Korea and China do fit that measure, but Singapore and the Netherlands, which Fiorina left off her list, do as well. Far more countries permit abortions in certain circumstances in which the pregnancy would damage the woman’s well-being, be it physical, mental or economic. Fiorina’s claim is based in fact but misses the mark, so we rate it Half True.

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Published: Thursday, August 22nd, 2013 at 1:54 p.m.

Subjects: Abortion

Sources:

ABC, "This Week," Aug. 18, 2013

Abortion Rights Coalition of Canada, "Abortion Law and Policy: Comparisons Between the U.S. and Canada," Feb. 2006

Abortion Rights Coalition of Canada, "How to Get an Abortion in Canada," Feb. 2006

Center for Reproductive Rights, "The World’s Abortion Laws Map 2013 Update," June 2013

Email interview with Jessica Rodgers, National Right to Life spokeswoman, Aug. 20, 2013

Email interview with Marjorie Dannenfelser, Susan B. Anthony List president, Aug. 21, 2013

FindLaw, "Roe v. Wade, 410 U.S. 113 (1973)," accessed Aug. 21, 2013

Government of the Netherlands, "Abortion," accessed Aug. 21, 2013

Guttmacher Institute, "State Policies in Brief: An Overview of Abortion Laws," Aug. 1, 2013

Phone interview with Johanna Fine, Center for Reproductive Rights spokeswoman, Aug. 20, 2013

Phone interview with Mindy Roseman, Human Rights Program academic director at Harvard Law School, Aug. 20, 2013

Reproductive Health Matters, "Second Trimester Abortion Laws Globally: Actuality, Trends and Recommendations," 2010

Singapore Attorney General’s Chambers, "Termination of Pregnancy Act," revised March 30, 1987

Written by: Julie Kliegman
Researched by: Julie Kliegman
Edited by: Amy Hollyfield

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