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Facing a long list of GOP presidential contenders at the National Rifle Association’s annual convention, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush touted his own pro-gun rights record.
Bush took a friendly jab at another potential presidential contender in the room:
"Today there are well over 1.3 million law-abiding Floridians with a valid concealed weapons permit, 1.3 million. That’s the most in the nation -- nearly double that of the second state, which is Texas. Sorry, Gov. Perry."
Yep, Florida does have 1,384,756 million concealed weapon permit holders as of March 2015.
It’s not surprising that Florida would be among the top states for the number of gun permits since it is now the third most populous state in the country. But does Florida lead the nation in gun permits and is that nearly double that of the second state, which is Texas? We were fired up to find the facts.
Comparing state permit figures
A spokesman for Bush’s PAC referred us to an August 2014 article in the Washington Times, which stated Florida led the nation with 1.3 million in concealed carry permits while Texas came in second with just over 708,000. We sought to independently find current statistics.
The U.S. Government Accountability Office, the investigative arm of Congress, last studied the number of active concealed weapons permits by state in 2012 based on data as of Dec. 31, 2011, in most cases. It found Florida was No. 1 with 887,000 permits at the time, followed by Pennsylvania 786,000, Georgia 600,000 permits and Texas with 519,000 permits.
Looking for more current numbers, we found Florida had nearly 1.4 million permit holders as of March 2015, while Texas has 825,957 as of December 2014, according to each state's official count. Florida’s number is about 1.7 times higher than Texas, which is close to Bush’s words of "nearly double."
To determine if Texas is No. 2, we tried to find a more current number for gun permits in Pennsylvania and Georgia. Those two states don’t make such data as readily and publicly available as Florida and Texas.
Pennsylvania has 1,064,360 active carry permits, State Trooper Adam Reed, a spokesman for the state police, told PolitiFact.
So Pennsylvania, not Texas, is No. 2.
In Georgia, 159 probate judges report the number of applications for weapons licenses to the Administrative Office of the Courts; however, some judges fail to report the number of applicants, resulting in no firm number. PolitiFact Georgia found that the state’s compiled number was in the ballpark of 500,000 in 2012, but the numbers have been increasing. Other estimates we have seen are higher, but none exceeded the total in Texas. (The courts sent us the total number of applications in 2013 which was about 169,000.)
Some caveats about conceal carry laws and Bush’s claim
While Bush’s claim is based on the sheer number of permits, another valid way to measure access to gun permits is to look at the rate in each state.
The 2012 GAO report, using 2010 Census data for the adult population, shows Florida’s rate at 6.2 -- equal to Connecticut but less than Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, Tennessee and Utah.
The rules about conceal carry and each state vary, so it’s worth mentioning some caveats we have noted before.
Several states, including Florida, allow out-of-state residents to acquire concealed weapons permits. As of March, about 192,000 out-of-state residents have Florida permits, representing about 13 percent of the total.
Two populous states are notably absent from the top of the list: California and New York. Those states are considered a "may issue" states, which gives those states much more discretion over who gets a permit. That means it is harder to get a permit there than in a state such as Florida which is a "shall issue" state.
We interviewed John R. Lott, president of the Crime Prevention Research Center which compiles data on gun permits in states. Lott, an academic and Fox News columnist, published the book More Guns, Less Crime through the University of Chicago in 2010.
He said there are four factors that influence the number of gun permits in a state: the amount of fees, hours of required training, how many places people can or can’t carry their firearms and how many years the rules have been in effect. For example, Pennsylvania has one of the lower fees, while Florida has higher fees but close to average in terms of training requirements.
Bush said Florida has the most concealed weapon permits in the nation, "nearly double that of the second state, which is Texas."
There are three parts to this claim. On the first one, Bush is correct that Florida leads the nation in the sheer number of gun permits -- the most current figure is nearly 1.4 million. However, eight states have a higher per-capita rate of gun permits than Florida.
When he says that Florida has "nearly double" the number of permits as Texas he is in the ballpark -- Texas has about 826,000. So Florida has about 1.7 times as many permit holders.
Where Bush misses the mark is when he says that Texas is the second state in terms of gun permits. Current data from the Pennsylvania state patrol showed slightly more than one million permits -- so more than Texas.
On balance, we rate this claim Mostly True.
Clarification: This report has been changed to clarify that probate judges report the number of applications for weapons licenses, not completed licenses.https://www.sharethefacts.co/share/f425cb8a-e580-4991-b7b0-a9dba110f4bc
National Rifle Association, Gov. Jeb Bush speech, April 10, 2015
U.S. Government Accountability Office, concealed weapons permit data by state, July 2012
Texas Department of Public Safety, Active license/certified instructor counts, Dec. 31, 2014
Georgia Probate Court, Civil Caseload, 2013
PolitiFact Florida, "Florida is No. 1 in concealed permits, Rick Scott says," Aug. 14, 2012
PolitiFact Florida, "Are alligator attacks more common than ‘attacks’ by those with a gun permit in Florida?" March 23, 2015
PolitiFact Florida, "Self-defense deaths in Florida have increased dramatically since ‘stand your ground’ became law in 2005, lawmaker claims," March 26, 2012
PolitiFact Georgia, "Deal on target with gun permit estimate," May 6, 2014
Interview, Matt Gorman, Jeb Bush’s Right to Rise PAC, April 13, 2015
Interview, Pennsylvania State Trooper and spokesman Adam Reed, April 14, 2015
Interview, John R. Lott, Crime Prevention Research Center president, April 14, 2015
Interview, Marion Hammer, Unified Sportsmen of Florida president, April 10, 2015
Interview, Summer Blackwell, Texas Department of Public Safety spokeswoman, April 13, 2015
Interview, Avery Palmer, Violence Policy Center spokeswoman, April 13, 2015
Interview, Cynthia H. Clanton, General Counsel Judicial Council/Administrative Office of the Courts in Georgia, April 14, 2015
Interview, Jerry Henry, Georgiacarry.org, April 14, 2015
Interview, Erin Gillespie, Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services spokeswoman, April 14, 2015
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