The Truth-O-Meter Says:

"He reformed welfare before others tried."

Rudy Giuliani on Wednesday, January 16th, 2008 in a TV ad

What about Tommy Thompson?

In the TV ad Rudy Giuliani debuted in Florida this week, the announcer makes the claim, "He reformed welfare before others tried."

It's unclear who "others" are — everyone, or just Giuliani's Republican opponents? So let's consider both possibilities.

Giuliani can certainly lay claim to being out front on welfare reform, and his overhaul of the New York City welfare system is nothing short of astounding considering he did it "in the teeth of the most intense opposition" from nearly all of the most significant political forces in the city, said Lawrence Mead, professor of Politics at New York University.

One of the cornerstones of Giuliani's controversial plan was a requirement that able-bodied people work or perform community service in order to receive welfare payments (at its peak in 1999, there were over 35,000 people in the Work Experience Program). Welfare rolls during his two terms as major dropped more than 50 percent.

But Giuliani can't claim New York was the first in the country.

One of the first effective welfare-to-work programs was initiated in San Diego in the early 1980s, Mead said. And Wisconsin instituted an ambitious welfare-to-work program prior to New York City (which is why some people have called former Wisconsin Gov. Tommy Thompson, a onetime presidential candidate, the father of welfare reform). In fact, Giuliani hired one of the architects of the Wisconsin plan to help create changes in New York City.

"Giuliani was not absolutely first," said Mead, author of Government Matters: Welfare Reform in Wisconsin.

"There is a long history of gradual movement to more and more radical reform," said Ron Haskins, a senior fellow of economic studies at the Brookings Institution and author of the book Welfare Over Work.

Politicians in lots of states had dabbled in welfare reform before Giuliani, Haskins said, but Giuliani's program may have been the most remarkable due to the political opposition.

Both Mead and Haskins say that if the ad was comparing Giuliani just to his Republican opponents, it's right. Giuliani began making changes shortly after being elected mayor, so 1994. That predates the governorships of Mike Huckabee and Mitt Romney. As for Sens. John McCain and Fred Thompson, the federal welfare reform laws passed in August 1996.

But the ad doesn't narrow the field at all, so we can only deduce it means he reformed welfare before everyone else. And that is False.

About this statement:

Published: Friday, January 18th, 2008 at 12:00 a.m.

Subjects: Job Accomplishments


Rudy Giuliani campaign, "Jumpstart," Jan. 16, 2008

Independent Budget Office of the City of New York, Welfare and Work, Feb. 14, 2005

Interview with Lawrence Mead, professor of politics at New York University and author of "Government Matters: Welfare Reform in Wisconsin," Jan. 18, 2008

Interview with Ron Haskins, senior fellow, Economic Studies at the Brookings Institution and author of the book "Welfare Over Work."

Written by: Robert Farley
Researched by: Robert Farley
Edited by: Amy Hollyfield

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