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Cole

Says about NSA data collection: "Every member in both parties who served on the Intelligence Committee voted in favor of this."

Tom Cole on Tuesday, July 30th, 2013 in an MSNBC interview

Rep. Tom Cole says his NSA vote backed by entire Intelligence Committee

Rep. Tom Cole, R-Okla., says he recently voted to keep a controversial National Security Agency data collection program in part because he trusts lawmakers who know it best.

"I'm going to go with the people that actually know the program and looked at it," he said.

His position had bipartisan support, he explained on MSNBC’s Morning Joe:

"Every member in both parties who served on the Intelligence Committee voted in favor of this."

Did every Republican and Democrat privy to the committee’s classified briefings vote to keep the NSA program?

Section 215 of the Patriot Act

Lawmakers recently targeted the scope of the program authorized by Section 215 of the Patriot Act, which was thrown under bright lights by leaks in June from former NSA contractor Edward Snowden.

A secret court order published by the Guardian showed the government routinely collects metadata about Americans’ phone calls — such as phone numbers and times and lengths of conversations. (The administration says such data is only accessed under strict guidelines.)

That was news to some lawmakers who assumed a narrower interpretation of U.S. Code that had been amended by Section 215. It allows for collection of records relevant to investigations of foreigners.

Who would have thought that included data for every single domestic call placed by some major American communications companies?

So last week, House lawmakers voted on two proposed amendments to a defense spending bill that sought to clarify or curtail the government’s use of Section 215. (The Senate's also considering measures to limit the program.)

The Pompeo amendment, sponsored by an Intelligence Committee member, clarified no funds could be used by the NSA to store the content of a U.S. person’s electronic communications, but left the metadata program in place. It passed 409-12.

The Amash amendment, which got more attention, refused funding to carry out any court order that didn’t restrict records collection to just those "that pertain to a person who is the subject of an investigation." One opponent called it "an on/off switch for Section 215 of the Patriot Act." It failed, 205-217.

Cole explained his position on Morning Joe on July 30 — though he didn’t name the amendment he was talking about.

"This is a debate worth having," he said. "It's an important debate, and it's not particularly a partisan debate. You know, the majority of Democrats actually voted with Rand Paul on this issue and against Barack Obama and their own leadership in the House. So the majority of Republicans actually supported the president's position."

Host Joe Scarborough asked: "How did you vote on this one?"

Cole replied: "I voted in favor of keeping the NSA program. I think we're going to review it and change it probably. But this would have ended it. And you're talking about — you know, we've stopped over 50 attacks. Every member in both parties who served on the Intelligence Committee voted in favor of this."

We assumed Cole was talking about the Amash amendment, and that he interpreted the votes against that amendment as de facto votes for the NSA program.

Cole's' office, however, claimed he was talking about the Pompeo amendment.

But that doesn't entirely make sense. Cole said the vote in question would "have ended" the NSA program, and the Pompeo amendment didn't do that.

So how did the 21 members of the House Intelligence Committee vote?

Every one of them supported the Pompeo amendment, which didn’t end bulk metadata collection, same as Cole.

Almost every one of them opposed the Amash amendment, which would have removed funding for bulk metadata collection. (In this case a "no" vote functioned as a vote "in favor of keeping the NSA program.") Cole’s "no" vote wasn’t shared by Rep. Ed Pastor, an Arizona Democrat.

Pastor, an influential member of the House’s Progressive Caucus who generally stays out of the national news, didn’t speak out on the House floor, and declined to explain his vote to us.

"Mr. Pastor confirms that the roll call is accurate. He declined further comment," his spokeswoman said.

His vote was the committee’s sole "yes," among nine Democrats and 12 Republicans.

Our ruling

Cole told Morning Joe that when it comes to the NSA program, he’s going to vote with "the people that actually know."

He said his support was shared by every member of the House Intelligence Committee, Republican or Democrat. He was close. One Arizona Democrat disagreed. We find his statement only Mostly True.

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Published: Friday, August 2nd, 2013 at 12:06 p.m.

Subjects: Civil Rights, Congress, Homeland Security, Privacy, Terrorism

Sources:

CQ Newsmaker Transcripts, "Rep. Cole Interviewed on MSNBC," July 31, 2013

Rep. Tom Cole, "Rep. Cole on Morning Joe: 'Admirable goal but not way to get there,'" July 31, 2013, via YouTube

Email interview with Sarah Corley, communications director, Rep. Tom Cole, Aug. 1, 2013

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Government Printing Office, "Congressional Record," July 24, 2013

U.S. House of Representatives, "Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence," accessed July 31, 2013

Library of Congress’ Thomas, "H.R. 2397: Department of Defense Appropriations Act, 2014," accessed Aug. 1, 2013

U.S. Rep. Mike Pompeo, "Pompeo Offers Amendment to Clarify NSA Programs," July 24, 2013

U.S. Rep. Justin Amash, "Amash NSA Amendment Fact Sheet," July 24, 2013

U.S. House of Representatives, Roll call vote for Amash amendment to H.R. 2397, July 24, 2013

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Government Printing Office, USA PATRIOT ACT, Oct. 26, 2001

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PolitiFact Georgia, "Phone call surveillance policy no mystery, congressman says," July 18, 2013 (True)

PolitiFact, "Rep. Mike Rogers says 'it's expressly prohibited by law' for the government to read domestic email traffic," June 13, 2013 (Mostly True)

PolitiFact, "Barack Obama says the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court 'is transparent,'" June 2, 2013 (Pants on Fire)

Written by: Becky Bowers
Researched by: Becky Bowers
Edited by: Angie Drobnic Holan

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