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Tom Kertscher
By Tom Kertscher May 8, 2011

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker says Milwaukee County paid employees over $170,000 in 2010 to work for their unions

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker promoted his budget-repair bill in February 2011 by saying it would balance the state budget and "give government the tools to deal with this and future budget crises."

One tool was designed to sharply curtail the collective bargaining powers of most state and local government employees, and eliminate collective bargaining altogether for others. It was that part of the Republican governor’s bill that led Democratic state senators to hotfoot it to Illinois and protesters to stage daily demonstrations in Madison.

Walker issued a number of statements touting the bill, including two entitled "Collective bargaining is a fiscal issue." The second statement, issued Feb. 22, 2011, made this claim:

"In Milwaukee County alone, because the union collectively bargained for paid time off, 14 employees receive salary and benefits for doing union business. Of the 14, three are on full-time release for union business. Milwaukee County spent over $170,000 in salary alone for these employees to only participate in union activities such as collective bargaining."

Another Walker news release repeated the claim the next day and added: "The budget-repair bill reforms would help counties, like Milwaukee County, save on these costs."

The dollar sign in Walker’s claim made us wonder:

Did Milwaukee County pay employees over $170,000 not to do work for the county, but for their unions?

Walker’s claim was made more than two months ago, but collective bargaining remains at the top of the state’s political agenda. The issue is part of efforts to recall state senators from office. And on June 6, 2011, the state Supreme Court is scheduled to hold a hearing about whether it should be the court to consider a legal challenge to Walker’s measure.

We asked the governor’s office what the $170,000 referred to, and were told Milwaukee County spent more than that amount in 2010 on salaries for county employees for doing union work.

As support, the governor’s office forwarded a report it received from Milwaukee County payroll manager Sue Drummond the day before it issued the news release that made the $170,000 claim. The report listed county employees who received pay in 2010 for time they spent carrying out union duties.

For several decades, union contracts agreed upon by Milwaukee County provide for certain employees to be paid when they are doing union activities. The activities can include attending County Board meetings, representing a worker in a disciplinary hearing and participating in contract talks, among other things.

In this item, we’re not weighing in on the merits of the practice; we’re checking the accuracy of Walker’s claim on the cost to Milwaukee County. We’ll also check a few other places, including the city of Milwaukee and the state, for some added context.

The report forwarded to us by the governor’s office did not tally how much in salaries the county paid to employees doing union work. But an analysis provided by the governor’s office said the county in 2010 paid $170,593 in salaries to county employees for doing union work.

We then asked the county directly to provide figures. A report issued to us May 6, 2011 from county controller Scott Manske showed that in 2010:

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  • The county spent $180,385 in salaries, plus $82,208 in benefits, on employees for doing union business.
  • Nearly two-thirds of the salaries -- $117,854 -- were paid to the presidents of three AFSCME (American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees) unions who worked full-time on union business and did no work for the county. They included David Eisner, president of the union that represents Department of Human Services workers; Ronnie Hart and Beth Werve, who split time as president of the union that represents administrative and clerical employees; and Kurt Zunker, president of the union that represents public works, parks, airport and zoo employees.
  • Nearly 60 other employees continued to receive their full pay even when they took time away from their county jobs periodically to do union activities.

Zunker, who heads Milwaukee County’s largest union with some 1,100 members, said the system for paying some county employees to do union work is a benefit county employees have earned as part of the give-and-take that occurs in bargaining contracts with the county.

Chris Pegelow, a former Milwaukee County employee who served as president of the same union, said putting county employees in union positions full time arguably saves the county money and time in settling workplace disputes that might otherwise escalate into legal cases. Because they are full-time union presidents, those employees are more accessible to county officials and more knowledgeable about workplace issues, he said. The system is also less disruptive than if the union presidents worked full-time in county positions and had to be released from those duties each time a workplace issue arose, he said.

The City of Milwaukee spent more than the county in 2010 on employees doing union work. The city spent $291,253 on salaries and $215,419 in benefits for seven employees who hold full-time union positions, said city labor relations officer Joe Alvarado. The figures, which are set by contract between the city and the unions, will be the same for 2011, he said.

The city pays full benefits to the president, vice president and secretary/treasurer of the police union, plus half the salary of the vice president and secretary/treasurer, Alvarado said.

For the other four employees who do union work full-time, the city pays the full salary and benefits, Alvarado said  The employees include the heads of the unions that represent firefighters, sanitation workers, the Department of Public Works and other departments, and truck drivers and service equipment workers.

Alvarado said the system has been in place since the Milwaukee Police Association negotiated for one such position some 40 years ago.

Meanwhile, the state does not pay any employees to do only union work, said Carla Vigue, spokeswoman for the state Department of Administration. But it does allow employees to conduct union activities at various times while they’re on the clock.

In 2010, according to a summary provided by Vigue, employees representing 16 unions spent 30,783 work hours on union activities. Those hours, which Vigue said were logged by 466 employees, amounted to $705,731 in salaries, according to the summary.

It remains to be seen how many government employees would continue to be paid for doing union business if Walker’s bill, which was adopted into law by the Legislature, survives court challenges. Unions representing police officers, firefighters and state troopers could continue to collectively bargain for such arrangements, since they are exempted from Walker’s bill.

However, unions representing other public employees would be allowed to bargain only for base pay. That means it would be up to the government to decide whether to continue to pay some employees for doing union work, said Walker spokesman  Cullen Werwie.

Let’s wrap up.

Gov. Walker said Milwaukee County spent more than $170,000 in 2010 on salaries for employees doing union activities. The actual tally, according to the county -- for three union presidents who did union work full-time and other employees who did occasional union work -- was $180,385. We rate Walker’s statement True.

Our Sources

Gov. Scott Walker, "Collective bargaining is a fiscal issue" news release, Feb. 21, 2011

Gov. Scott Walker, "Collective bargaining is a fiscal issue: Part 2" news release, Feb. 22, 2011

Gov. Scott Walker, union pay report analysis, provided May 2, 2011

Gov. Scott Walker, "Governor Walker’s budget-repair bill would save local governments over $700 million per year" news release, Feb. 23, 2011

PolitiFact Wisconsin, "Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker says Wisconsin is broke," March 3, 2011

Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, "Walker calls for cuts or big layoffs," Feb. 11, 2011

Milwaukee Police Association website, Board page

Milwaukee Professional Firefighters Local 215 website, Elected Officials page

Milwaukee Area Labor Council AFL-CIO website, Local Unions page

AFSCME District Council 48 website, Local 33 page

AFSCME District Council 48 website, Local 423 page

AFSCME District Council 48 website, Local 567 page

AFSCME District Council 48 website, Local 594 page

AFSCME District Council 48 website, Local 645 page

AFSCME District Council 48 website, Local 882 page

AFSCME District Council 48 website, Local 1654 page

Milwaukee Deputy Sheriffs’ Association website, Executive Board page

Interview and e-mail, Wisconsin Department of Administration spokeswoman Carla Vigue, May 4 and 5, 2011

Wisconsin Department of Administration, "2010 summary of union activity with pay hours and dollars," provided May 4, 2011

Interview and e-mail, City of Milwaukee labor relations officer Joe Alvarado, May 3, 4 and 6, 2011

E-mail and phone interview, Gov. Scott Walker spokesman Cullen Werwie, May 3, 4 5 and 6, 2011

Interview and e-mail interview, Milwaukee County Controller Scott Manske, May 4 and 6, 2011

Milwaukee County, union pay report by controller Scott Manske, May 6, 2011

Milwaukee County, union pay report by payroll manager Sue Drummond, Feb. 21, 2011

Interview, AFSCME Local 882 president Kurt Zunker, May 5, 2011

Interview, former AFSCME Local 882 president Chris Pegelow, May 5, 2011

Interview, Milwaukee Police Association president Mike Crivello, May 6, 2011


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