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A couple of weeks after former Fox News Channel talk show host Greta Van Susteren started a program on MSNBC, the Appleton, Wis. native welcomed U.S. House Speaker Paul Ryan to discuss what changes could be expected under President Donald Trump.
When Van Susteren asked Ryan in the Jan. 25, 2017 interview about the "tax code" (which Ryan has errantly claimed hasn’t been updated in 30 years), the Janesville, Wis., Republican emphasized the need to reduce business tax rates (which Trump has accurately characterized as high).
Then Ryan said:
"Oh, and by the way, here's what the rest of the world does that we don't do: They take the tax off of their exports and place a tax on their imports. We do the opposite. We tax our exports and don't tax our imports. So, we're putting ourselves -- we’re basically double taxing made-in-America products."
Does the United States tax exports but not tax imports?
Both parts of the speaker’s claim, said Joel Trachtman, professor of international law at the Fletcher School at Tufts University in Massachusetts, are "in principle true, but there’s a lot of important exceptions."
Taxes on imports and exports are important given that Trump has been highly critical of America’s trade policies. Three days after his inauguration, he signed a presidential memorandum officially directing the United States to withdraw from the Trans-Pacific Partnership, the biggest trade deal struck in two decades.
Now to the first part of Ryan’s two-part claim.
‘We tax our exports’
There is no excise tax or tariff applied by the United States on goods sold to foreign customers.
But Ryan’s point is that U.S. businesses pay income taxes on their worldwide income -- that is, from exports as well as goods sold within the United States.
It’s worth noting, though, that multinational companies are often able to reduce or delay their payment of U.S. taxes on export-based income. And U.S. exporters also enjoy subsidies and other assistance from some 20 federal agencies.
So, the first part of the statement is mostly on target.
We ‘don’t tax our imports’
Ryan’s point here is that a foreign company that sells goods from abroad into the United States does not pay any U.S. income taxes unless it has subsidiaries based in the United States or branches in the United States. For example, Toyota USA pays income taxes on cars made in Japan that it buys and resells to U.S. consumers.
But his statement ignores the existence of tariffs -- another form of tax that is imposed on many goods as they come into the United States. On average, the tariff imposed at the border is 1.5 percent, according to a March 2016 report from the U.S. International Trade Commission.
(Tariffs are aimed at making American companies more competitive with their foreign counterparts, but consumer costs in the United States almost certainly would rise if tariffs are increased. Trump has promised to raise tariffs on "any country that devalues their currency to take unfair advantage of the United States.")
Ryan’s office acknowledged to us that tariffs are another form of tax, but pointed out that he had been asked about the tax code, which is administered by the Internal Revenue Service rather than the U.S. Customs and Border Protection.
So, the second part of the claim is misleading in that there are no direct taxes on imports, but there are tariffs.
Ryan said: In the United States, "we tax our exports and don't tax our imports."
On the export side, the United States doesn’t have an excise tax or tariffs on goods sold to foreign customers. But U.S. businesses do pay income taxes on their exports -- though multinational companies have the means to mitigate those taxes.
On the import side, foreign companies don’t pay income taxes on goods they sell to the United States, but tariffs -- another form of tax -- are imposed on many imported goods.
For a statement that is partially accurate but leaves out important details, our rating is Half True.
MSNBC, Greta Van Susteren interview (16:30) of Paul Ryan, Jan. 25, 2017
Email, Paul Ryan press secretary Ian Martorana, Jan. 26, 2017
PolitiFact National, "Trump miscasts impact on trade of Chinese taxes," March 30, 2016
PolitiFact National, "Donald Trump has floated big tariffs. What could the impact be?" June 21, 2016
Interview, Stuart Malawer, professor of law and international trade, George Mason University, Jan. 30, 2017
Interview, John Graham, emeritus marketing and international business professor, University of California, Irvine, Jan. 30, 2017
Interview, Gary Hufbauer, senior fellow, Peterson Institute for International Economics, Jan. 30, 2017
Interview, Joel Trachtman, professor of international law, Tufts University, Jan. 30, 2017
U.S. International Trade Commission, tariffs on U.S. imports, March 2016
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