Texan Beto O’Rourke joined nine other Democrats on stage in Detroit on Tuesday for the second round of debates in the Democratic presidential primary contest.
All of the candidates made questionable statements — take a look at some fact-checking from the night — including O’Rourke, who was asked to respond to a comment about gun violence from Montana Gov. Steve Bullock.
Bullock said that Washington, D.C., "is captured by dark money" and political influence from the likes of the NRA and Koch Industries, making it hard for lawmakers to tackle issues like gun safety.
"That's the way we're actually going to make a change on this, Don, is by changing that system," Bullock said, addressing moderator Don Lemon of CNN. "And most of the things that folks are talking about on this stage we're not going to address until we kick dark money and the post-Citizens United corporate spending out of these elections."
Lemon asked O’Rourke to respond to Bullock’s point.
"How else can we explain that we lose nearly 40,000 people in this country to gun violence, a number that no other country comes even close to, that we know what all the solutions are, and yet nothing has changed?" O’Rourke said. "It is because, in this country, money buys influence, access and, increasingly, outcomes."
We assumed O'Rourke was talking about the number of gun deaths in the United States in the past year, a figure supported by federal data. But is O’Rourke right that no other country comes close to the number of deaths by gun violence in the United States? We took a look.
CDC data shows 40,000 deaths
"As we've visited communities across the country, we have consistently heard about the fact that gun violence is a major concern in the U.S. as no other developed country comes close to the number of gun deaths," Evans said.
In 2017, there were 39,773 firearm injury deaths in the United States (12.2 firearm deaths per 100,000 total population), according to information from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention cited by Evans.
Of those deaths, 60% were recorded as suicides and 36.6% were homicides, according to the CDC. The other 3.4% were marked as unintentional, undetermined or the result of "legal intervention/war."
But how do those figures compare to other countries?
Limiting by economic standing changes outcome
Evans pointed to a 2016 study published in the American Journal of Medicine that measured violent death rates in the United States compared with other high-income countries, using mortality data from 2010.
Researchers compared figures from the United States to the 26 other countries classified as "high-income" by the World Bank that were also members of the Organization for Economic Co-Operation and Development in 2010 — excluding Iceland and Luxembourg for "having very small populations."
The study focused on violent death in general, but it also looked at firearm deaths and found that "Americans are 10 times more likely to die as a result of a firearm compared with residents of these other high-income countries."
The same researchers conducted an updated study using data from 2015 and came to a similar conclusion and stated that, when it comes to firearm deaths, "not one of the other high-income countries compares to the US."
Erin Grinshteyn, a professor at the University of San Francisco who co-authored both studies, said they compared the United States to other high-income countries to make an "apples to apples" comparison.
"Countries that are less developed are not similar to the US in many ways and would not typically be used as a comparison on other health indicators," she said. "What O'Rourke said is accurate for high-income countries. We are a complete outlier compared to our peer countries."
But O’Rourke’s statement at the debate was not limited to other high-income countries. He said that "no other country comes even close to" the number of deaths from gun violence in the United States.
The second study cited by Evans offers a broader look at global trends. The study, conducted by researchers at the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington, looked at firearm mortality around the world from 1990 to 2016.
In 2016, the most current year in the study, there were an estimated 251,000 firearm injury deaths worldwide. The study found that more than half of those deaths were recorded in six countries: the United States, Brazil, Mexico, Colombia, Venezuela and Guatemala.
Take a look at the number of firearm injury deaths in each of these countries in 2016, according to the study, in order of the total number of deaths: