"We’ve had a dramatic drop in violent crime since this law (‘stand your ground’) has been in effect."
Dennis Baxley on Wednesday, March 21st, 2012 in
Crime rates in Florida have dropped since 'stand your ground,' says Dennis Baxley
An author of Florida’s "stand your ground" legislation has been defending the law on national television, warning that it may not have anything to do with the recent death of Trayvon Martin.
Martin was an African-American 17-year-old who was watching a basketball game at a friend’s apartment complex in Sanford, Fla. During a break, he walked to a nearby store for candy and iced tea.
While he was out, a resident, George Zimmerman, reported him to 911 as acting suspicious. The operator told Zimmerman not to pursue Martin, but Zimmerman shot Martin a short while later. Police didn’t arrest Zimmerman, and that angered Martin’s family and others.
It also got people talking about Florida’s "stand your ground" law. The law allows people to use deadly force in cases of self-defense when they believe their life is at risk.
Rep. Dennis Baxley, R-Ocala, told MSNBC’s Tamron Hall on March 21, 2012, that the law protects people who are attacked, but it does not protect aggressors. "There’s nothing in this statute to protect people who are pursuing and confronting other people," he said.
Hall asked Baxley about crime statistics that show justifiable homicides are up in Florida, but Baxley said that’s only one statistic.
"What we’ve learned is if we empower people to stop bad things from happening, they will," Baxley said. "And in fact, that statistic is coupled with another statistic. That is the fact that we’ve had a dramatic drop in violent crime since this law has been in effect."
In an interview with PBS Newshour the next day, Baxley added that he thought the law "has saved thousands of people's lives."
Here, we’re checking whether there’s been a dramatic drop in violent crime since the law went into effect. To do that, we turned to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement’s crime statistics and various news reports about violent crime in Florida.
We found that violent crime has dropped significantly in Florida since 2005. (The law went into effect Oct. 1, 2005.) We calculated the drop in violent crime rates, to account for population growth. In 2006 and 2007, violent crime rates were up just slightly up compared with 2005. In 2008, the violent crime rate began declining. By 2010, the violent crime rate had dropped 23 percent since 2005. (See chart below.)
But that’s not the whole story. We also looked at crime rates for the five years before the "stand your ground" law started, and we found violent crime was declining during those years as well. Between 2000 and 2005, violent crime dropped 12 percent.
When we turned to news reports, we found many stories documenting drops in crime nationwide over the past decade. Experts have been surprised that the numbers have continued dropping through a historic recession.
Why are rates declining? Nobody can say for sure. The theories are highly diverse, to say the least, and some are fairly controversial.
Here are just a few we ran across: Police are getting better at using technology to prevent crime. More people are in jail and therefore can’t commit crimes. Online banking and debit cards mean people don’t have cash at home. Abortions have suppressed the number of poor, unsupervised young men. Low inflation makes stealing less attractive. President Barack Obama is setting a positive example for African-American youth. New gun laws establishing the right to carry are deterring criminals. Joblessness means people are at home watching the neighborhood. Extended unemployment benefits and food stamps mean people don’t have to turn to crime.
Baxley told PolitiFact Florida he didn’t think the "stand your ground" law was the main reason for Florida’s drop in crime rates. But it could be one of several reasons, he said.
"I don’t want to claim all the effect," Baxley said. "But in public policy, if you make changes, and things go in a positive direction, you’re grateful. So I don’t want to say we caused all of it, but I do think that it helped."
Others, though, have said the "stand your ground" law could potentially drive up the crime rate.
In 2007, the National District Attorneys Association convened a symposium on the "stand your ground" law and other expansions to the right to use of deadly force in self-defense. A symposium report listed a number of concerns: Criminals might be emboldened as they learn to use "stand your ground" as a legal defense. More deaths could result as more people carry weapons for self-defense. People might feel less safe if they believe anyone could use deadly force in an unsettling situation.
More pointedly for the Trayvon Martin case, the report noted that a misinterpretation of physical clues could result in the use of deadly force, "exacerbating culture, class, and race differences" and that there could be "a disproportionately negative effect on minorities, persons from lower socioeconomic status, and young adults/juveniles."
Baxley said "We’ve had a dramatic drop in violent crime since this law has been in effect." His comments in television interviews implied the law itself reduced violent crime rates. There has been a drop, but rates were declining before the law went into effect. We found no proof that that the "stand your ground" law caused the drop in crime rates; some groups worry the law could lead to more violence. We rate his claim Half True.
|Year||Violent Crimes||Population||Violent crime rate||Percent change, year to year||Percent change since 2000||Percent change since 2005|
Editor's note: Due a data entry error, the number of violent crimes for 2010 was originally listed as 113,415 in this report. The story now reflects the correct number of 101,906. The ruling remains the same.
Published: Friday, March 23rd, 2012 at 5:58 p.m.
MSNBC, interview with Rep. Dennis Baxley, March 21, 2012
Interview with Rep. Dennis Baxley, March 23, 2012
Florida Department of Law Enforcement, Crime in Florida: Uniform Crime Reports (UCR), accessed March 22, 2012
Florida Statutes, Chapter 776: Justifiable Use of Force, accessed March 22, 2012
Florida Legislature, "stand your ground" legislation, accessed March 22, 2012
National District Attorneys Association, Expansions to the Castle Doctrine: Implications For Policy And Practice, 2007
The Christian Science Monitor, U.S. crime rate is down: six key reasons, May 24, 2012
PBS Newshour, Trayvon Martin Case Sparks New Protests, Debate Over Race, Guns, Law, March 23, 2012
PolitiFact, Wayne LaPierre said that violent crime in jurisdictions that recognize the 'right to carry' is lower than in areas that prevent it, Feb. 16, 2011
The Economist, America’s falling crime rate, June 2, 2011
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