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Says as a result of the national health care reform, "the Congressional Budget Office says we save $250 million over the first 10 years. Over the next 10 years, we save $1.2 trillion in savings in terms of health care."

Robert Menendez on Thursday, June 28th, 2012 in an interview on Richard French Live

U.S. Sen. Robert Menendez claims health care reform will mean $250 million in savings over the first 10 years, $1.2 trillion over the second decade

It didn’t take long after the U.S. Supreme Court ruling on the health care reform law for U.S. Sen. Robert Menendez to revive a questionable talking point about the potential savings from the legislation.

In the hours following the court decision, the Democratic senator claimed health care reform policies will lower the federal deficit by more than $1 trillion over the next 20 years.

"So the reality is the Congressional Budget Office says we save $250 million over the first 10 years. Over the next 10 years, we save $1.2 trillion in savings in terms of health care," Menendez said in a June 28 interview on the Regional News Network’s Richard French Live.

Menendez is correct in his overall point that budget office projections indicate health care reform policies will likely lower federal deficits. But the senator made a couple of mistakes in citing those specific figures, PolitiFact New Jersey found.

Our PolitiFact colleagues debunked similar claims by other Democrats in 2010, including one from President Barack Obama.

First, let’s discuss the projected deficit reduction in the first decade.

The Affordable Care Act and related legislation contain various provisions that affect federal spending in three ways: some policies increase costs; some policies reduce spending; and others generate additional revenues.

For the 2012-2021 period, the budget office has projected that there will be more new revenue than new spending, resulting in a net decrease in federal deficits of $210 billion, according to a February 2011 estimate. As of March of this year, that estimate had not been updated.

So, the senator is clearly wrong to cite projected savings of "$250 million over the first 10 years."

But Menendez made a larger mistake by suggesting the budget office has projected "$1.2 trillion in savings" over the second 10 years.

The budget office has not projected any specific dollar figures for that period. The uncertainties are too substantial to create such detailed projections, according to the budget office.

The "$1.2 trillion" cited by Menendez is based on the budget office’s estimate that health care reform policies would reduce deficits in that second decade by "an amount in a broad range around one-half percent of gross domestic product (GDP)." GDP is a measure of the nation's economy.

However, in multiple reports over the last few years, the budget office has cautioned that this long-term estimate carries a "greater degree of uncertainty." That's why a specific dollar figure has not been projected.

In a December 2009 report, the budget office said: "A detailed year-by-year projection for years beyond 2019, like those that CBO prepares for the 10-year budget window, would not be meaningful because the uncertainties involved are simply too great."

As the budget office noted in a February 2011 report, calculations for the second decade are based on the assumption that existing provisions remain unchanged, but a number of policies may not be sustainable over a long period of time.

"Over a longer time span, a wide range of changes could occur—in people’s health, in the sources and extent of their insurance coverage, and in the delivery of medical care—that are very difficult to predict but that could have a significant effect on federal health care spending," according to that report.

So, Menendez’s "$1.2 trillion in savings" is not based on an exact dollar figure projected by the budget office, but instead on a percentage of GDP, a rough estimate with a "greater degree of uncertainty" attached to it.

In response to our findings, Menendez spokeswoman Tricia Enright said in an e-mail:

"CBO was asked by members of Congress to provide the out-year estimates for the health care law and that’s what they did. They said their best estimate was .5% of GDP. If you take that estimate and plug in the numbers so that it’s actually easier to understand, you get approximately $1 trillion. That’s the estimate the Senator has used and it’s the same estimate used by the President’s economic team. It’s the estimate he will continue to use."

Our ruling

In a TV interview, Menendez claimed that, as a result of the national health care reform, "the Congressional Budget Office says we save $250 million over the first 10 years. Over the next 10 years, we save $1.2 trillion in savings in terms of health care."

The senator’s claims contain an element of truth, which is that the budget office has projected health care reform policies will likely lower federal deficits. But Menendez fumbled by citing those specific figures.

Over the first 10 years, the budget office is projecting a reduction of $210 billion, not the "$250 million" cited by Menendez.

As for whether there will be "$1.2 trillion in savings" in the second 10 years, the budget office has not projected any specific dollar figure for that period. Instead, Menendez’s claim is based on a percentage of GDP that's considered by the budget office to be a rough estimate with a "greater degree of uncertainty."

We rate the statement Mostly False.

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Published: Wednesday, July 11th, 2012 at 7:30 a.m.

Subjects: Health Care

Sources:

President Obama's Health Care Act: Full Interview with Senator Robert Menendz, a video posted on YouTube on June 29, 2012

PolitiFact, Health care reform estimates for deficit reduction are not that exact, Feb. 1, 2010

PolitiFact, Pelosi: CBO says health reform bill would cut deficits by $1.2 trillion in second decade, March 18, 2010

PolitiFact Virginia, Bobby Scott says health care reform may cut deficit by $1.2 trillion over 20 years, Nov. 23, 2010

Congressional Budget Office, CBO’s Analysis of the Major Health Care Legislation Enacted in March 2010, March 30, 2011

Congressional Budget Office, Cost Estimate for H.R. 2, Repealing the Job-Killing Health Care Law Act, Feb. 18, 2011

Congressional Budget Office, The Budget and Economic Outlook: Fiscal Years 2012 to 2022, January 2012

Congressional Budget Office, Letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, March 20, 2010

Congressional Budget Office, Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, Incorporating the Manager's Amendment, Dec. 19, 2009

Congressional Budget Office, Letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, March 18, 2010

Washington Post’s The Fact Checker, ‘Obamacare:’ Twice as much as estimated?, March 27, 2012

Official website of U.S. Sen. Robert Menendez, Health Insurance Reform, accessed July 5, 2012

Congressional Budget Office, Updated Estimates for the Insurance Coverage Provisions of the Affordable Care Act, March 2012

FactCheck.org, Health Care Costs Didn’t Double, March 19, 2012

E-mail interview with Tricia Enright, spokeswoman for U.S. Sen. Robert Menendez, July 5-10, 2012

Congressional Budget Office, Letter to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, Dec. 19, 2009

Congressional Budget Office, Uncertainty in Estimates for Health Care Legislation, March 19, 2010

Written by: Bill Wichert
Researched by: Bill Wichert
Edited by: Caryn Shinske

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