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Gillespie

The Chamber of Commerce says new carbon regulations will kill "244,000 jobs a year" and cost average families "$1,200 a year."  

Ed Gillespie on Monday, June 2nd, 2014 in a TV interview.

Gillespie says EPA carbon rules will kill 244,000 jobs a year and hike bills by $1,200

The White House on June 2 unveiled tough new regulations to curb carbon dioxide emissions from existing power plants.  

Moments after the long-awaited announcement, many Republicans panned it as the latest escalation in President Barack Obama’s so-called "war on coal" and said it would kill jobs, raise electric prices and hurt the economy.

Among the GOP critics was U.S. Senate candidate Ed Gillespie, who was campaigning that day  in Southwest Virginia -- the heart of coal country. Gillespie, who is hoping to unseat Democratic incumbent Mark Warner this fall, was interviewed by WCYB-TV.

"These new regulations on carbon emissions will kill, according to the Chamber of Commerce, 244,000 jobs a year, every year, for the next 15 years and will cost the average family of four $1,200 a year on higher energy costs," he said.

Gillespie was referring to a U.S. Chamber of Commerce study that was released May 28 and became the basis for much of the GOP criticism of Obama’s carbon-reduction plan.

The national goal of the regulations is to cut carbon emission from existing power plants by 30 percent by 2030 -- compared to 2005 levels. This is to be achieved in part by creating carbon caps for each state and providing options for them to reach their targets, including regional "cap and trade" networks, investing in renewable energy and smart grid technology, and eventually phasing out many coal plants.

But the chamber study that Gillespie and other Republicans cite assumed that the Obama administration would want to decrease carbon emissions by 42 percent — not 30 percent — before 2030. That’s a significant difference when it comes to the pace for reducing CO2 levels, a point that the chamber acknowledges.  

"We were never saying those were the numbers for any scenario other than the ones that we put forward," Matt Letourneau, spokesman for the Institute for 21st Century Energy at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, told PolitiFact National.  "Now that we have a different benchmark, we’re taking a look at the rule and the analysis and the model and we’ll see what we can do (to update the study)."

Why can’t the numbers simply be converted?

In assuming Obama would set a higher goal, the chamber also postulated that the Environmental Protection Agency would be forced to change other policies to meet the 42 percent threshold. The goal would be attainable, the chamber concluded, only if the EPA by 2022 required new natural gas plants to use carbon capture and storage technology.  The actual proposal, however, does not require plants to have such capabilities.

This is important because, as the chamber report noted, plants with carbon capture technology are far more expensive to build and operate than traditional ones.Therefore, the chamber’s conclusion that power companies face $478 billion in compliance costs — $339 billion from construction — is likely overblown.

The chamber report said power companies would significantly increase their electricity rates to recoup the costs of building new plants with carbon capture technology. Businesses would recoup their increased energy expenses, the report said, by paring jobs.

The EPA was highly critical of the chamber’s report and on the day of its release, blogged that the study was "irresponsible speculation based on guesses of what our draft proposal will be."

It noted that the chamber failed to consider significant health and climate savings that would come from lowering carbon emissions. And the EPA tipped its hand, five days prior to Gillespie’s TV interview, by announcing its soon-to-be-revealed regulations would not require carbon capture.

We also should note that Gillespie, in his TV interview, overstated two figures in the flawed  report:

  • He said an average family would spend $1,200 a year more on electricity; the actual figure was about $200. We asked Gillespie’s campaign for an explanation and spokesman Paul Logan said the $1,200 figure actually came from an analysis by the Heritage Foundation, a conservative research group. Heritage’s estimate, released in March, incorrectly assumed that the EPA would phase out all coal-fired energy plants.

  • Gillespie said the chamber predicted an annual loss of 244,000 jobs; the actual number was 224,000.

In addition to his TV interview, Gillespie posted a tweet that applied estimates in the chamber report to the administration’s proposal.

Paul Logan, a spokesman for Gillespie, said defended his boss’s comments by saying the chamber study "looked at a similar regulatory scheme" to what Obama proposed.

As we noted, Gillespie was hardly the only Republican who used chamber statistics to denounce the White House proposal. Similar comments were made by U.S. Rep. Randy Forbes, R-4th; Pat Mullins, chairman of the Republican Party of Virginia; and House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio. The National Republican Senatorial Committee is using the statistics in a robocall attack against incumbent Warner, whom Gillespie is challenging.

Our ruling

Gillespie, during a visit to coal country, said new EPA "regulations on carbon emissions will kill, according to the Chamber of Commerce, 244,000 jobs a year, every year, for the next 15 years and will cost the average family of four $1,200 a year on higher energy costs."

Gillespie refers to a May 28 chamber study that wrongly assumed the White House would set a benchmark of reducing carbon emissions by 42 percent before 2030 -- a standard that the report said could only met by requiring the construction of natural gas plants with expensive carbon capture capabilities. The regulations, released June 2, actually put forward a 30 percent reduction within that timeframe. The chamber says its estimates do not apply to the goals as announced.

There was opportunity for Gillespie to realize the chamber’s assumptions were unreliable. Five days before his comments, the EPA announced that carbon capture would not be part of its upcoming proposals. Gillespie not only continued to use numbers from the report, he overstated some of them.

We rate his statement False.

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Published: Monday, June 9th, 2014 at 12:00 a.m.

Subjects: Climate Change, Economy, Environment, Regulation

Sources:

Ed Gillespie, interview with WCYB-TV, June 2, 2014.

Email interview with Paul Logan, Gillespie spokesman, June 4, 2014.

PolitiFact, "Boehner says Obama;s climate change policies will kill 224,000 jobs and surge electric bills by $17 billion every year," June 2, 2014.

Environmental Protection Agency, "Regulatory Impact Analysis for the Proposed Carbon Pollution Guidelines for Existing Power Plants and Emission Standards for Modified and Reconstructed Power Plants," June 2, 2014.

Environmental Protection Agency, Overview of the Clean Power Plan, June 2, 2014.

Environmental Protection Agency, "Carbon Pollution Emission Guidelines for Existing Stationary Sources: Electric Utility Generating Units," June 2, 2014.

U.S. Chamber of Commerce, "Assessing the Impact of Potential New Carbon Regulations in the United States," May 28, 2014.

U.S. Chamber of Commerce, "Double Whammy: EPA Carbon Regulations Will Mean Higher Electricity Costs, Fewer Jobs," May 28, 2014.

Environmental Protection Agency, "Setting the Record Straight on the Chamber of Commerce’s Report," May 28, 2014.

Email interview with Matt Lehrich, spokesman for the White House, May 28-30, 2014.

Email and phone interview with Matt Letourneau, spokesman for the Institute for 21st Century Energy at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, May 29-30, 2014.

Environmental Protection Agency, "EPA Fact Sheet: Reducing Carbon Pollution From Power Plants," Sept. 2013

The New York Times, "President Said to Be Planning to Use Executive Authority on Carbon Rule," May 28, 2014

Richmond Times-Dispatch, "Regulations’ impact on electric rates is unclear, June 3, 2014.

The Washington Post, "EPA’s proposal prompts backlash, June 3, 2014.

The Washington Post Fact Checker, "GOP lawmakers rush to cite study to discredit new EPA rule, but study assumed EPA rule would be tougher, June 3, 2014.

Washington Post, "Everything you need to know about the EPA’s carbon limits for new power plants," Sept. 20, 2013

House Speaker John Boehner, "Promise Made, Promise Kept: ‘Electricity Rates Would Necessarily Skyrocket,’" June 2, 2014

U.S. Rep. Randy Forbes, "Costs of new EPA rule could top $50 billion a year," June 2, 2014.

Republican Party of Virginia, "Chairman Mullins: New Obama global warming rules are a disaster for Virginia," June 2, 2014.

National Republican Senatorial Committee, "Mark Warner does nothing to protect Virginians from devastating EPA regs & higher energy costs," June 3, 2014.

The Heritage Foundation, "EPA proposes next step of regulatory cap and trade," June 3, 2014.

The Heritage Foundation, "EPA’s climate regulations will harm American manufacturing," March 4, 2014.

Written by: Warren Fiske
Researched by: Steve Contorno, Warren Fiske
Edited by: Daniel Finnegan

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