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Becky Bowers
By Becky Bowers August 10, 2011

Adam Hasner says George LeMieux voted against his party for 'tax-raising' committee

As Adam Hasner and George LeMieux debate each other's conservative credentials in the race to take on Democratic U.S. Sen. Bill Nelson, Hasner's team has picked over LeMieux's brief time in the U.S. Senate looking for signs of weakness — er, uh, moderate leanings.

The joys of primary politics.

Thus, a Hasner news release from Aug. 8, 2011 -- the week after Congress voted to raise the debt ceiling and avoid default -- accuses LeMieux of being "for tax-raising committees before he was against them."

It begins:

"After weeks of equivocation and avoidance of the debt crisis in Washington, Senator George LeMieux finally tweeted his displeasure in the closing hours of the debate. But while serving as Charlie Crist's handpicked U.S. Senator, George LeMieux voted against the majority of Republicans and joined with Democrats to create a 'Task Force For Responsible Fiscal Action' that looks strikingly similar to the 'Super Committee' now being set up in Washington to justify massive tax hikes."

And concludes:

"Time and time again, Senator LeMieux's record shows he was willing to be a token Republican vote for the Democrats, and his vote to create a tax-raising task force proves it."

Consider us intrigued. In just part of a sentence — "George LeMieux voted against the majority of Republicans and joined with Democrats to create a 'Task Force For Responsible Fiscal Action' that looks strikingly similar to the 'Super Committee' now being set up in Washington to justify massive tax hikes" — we saw three issues worth a look.

• Did LeMieux vote against most Republicans and with Democrats to create a Task Force for Responsible Fiscal Action?
• Was that task force proposal "strikingly similar" to the Joint Committee on Deficit Reduction, sometimes called the "supercommittee," created by the Budget Control Act of 2011?
• Is the supercommittee being "set up ... to justify massive tax hikes"?

We'll note that LeMieux did indeed tweet unhappily on Aug. 1, 2011, saying the, "Debt deal offers no significant debt reduction & no fundamental reforms to solve DC's spending addiction" and linking to a short post on his website that the debt deal was "no time for celebration."

Did LeMieux vote to create a Task Force for Responsible Fiscal Action?

LeMieux's record of support for a bipartisan committee known as the "Task Force for Responsible Fiscal Action" is clear. He was one of 25 original co-sponsors of legislation in 2009 by Sens. Kent Conrad, D-N.D., and Judd Gregg, R-N.H., that would have created the task force. When it ultimately came up for a Senate vote as an amendment to an amendment to another bill in January 2010, the roll call at shows he voted for it

His "Yea" vote put him with about 40 percent of Republicans. The majority of his party colleagues voted against it.

That supports Hasner's claim that he "voted against the majority of Republicans and joined with Democrats" to create the task force. But LeMieux wasn't exactly a "token Republican vote for the Democrats," as Hasner's team put it. Fifteen of LeMieux's Republican colleagues joined him. The Democrats were as divided as the Republicans, though more of them supported the plan. Meanwhile, the final 53-46 Senate vote — seven votes short of the 60 required — understates earlier Republican support for the task force.

Senate Minority leader Mitch McConnell had called it the "best hope for addressing the out-of-control spending and debt levels that are threatening our nation's fiscal future." Then antitax activists attacked it for leaving the door open to tax increases, and President Barack Obama endorsed it the Saturday before the vote. Seven Republican co-sponsors withdrew their support. McConnell also voted against it, earning a Full Flop from PolitiFact.

Which left LeMieux in his party's minority — but on a proposal with strong bipartisan roots.

Was that task force proposal "strikingly similar" to the supercommittee?

Hasner accuses LeMieux of a flip-flop, saying he was "for tax-raising committees before he was against them." But just how similar were the committees?

In some key ways, they're the same. 

The supercommittee is "certainly a descendant of the task force and the many other similar type(s) of special mechanisms proposed to do the hard work Congress refuses to do," said Steve Ellis, vice president of Taxpayers for Common Sense, an independent group that analyzes federal spending. "... This is not a new idea."

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The committee proposals both include members appointed by Democrats and Republicans, seek ideas to reduce the "fiscal imbalance of the federal government" and require Congress to fast-track recommendations to a vote with no amendments.

But LeMieux's campaign points out a key difference: The 12-member supercommittee created by Congress requires just simple majority votes — for example, a single Republican could join six Democrats to endorse a plan. Meanwhile, the task force he supported required supermajority votes both by an 18-member committee and by Congress to implement its recommendations. 

"This would have protected taxpayers since the commission's plan would have needed the support of at least four of the eight Republicans on the commission to guarantee a vote in the House and Senate," said campaign manager Brian Seitchik. "This would make it highly unlikely that the commission's plan would be able to get sufficient Republican support if it raised taxes."

So, are the committees "strikingly similar"? Yes, but arguably with enough room for LeMieux to explain why he might vote for one, but not support the other.

  Task Force for Responsible Fiscal Action Joint Committee on Deficit Reduction Goal To provide recommendations and legislative language that will significantly improve the long-term fiscal imbalance of the federal government, which may include expenditures and revenues To reduce the deficit by at least $1.5 trillion from 2012-21, providing recommendations and legislative language that will significantly improve the short-term and long-term fiscal imbalance of the federal government Members 18 (10 Democrats, 8 Republicans) 12 (6 Democrats, 6 Republicans) Time before committee vote on recommendations 41 weeks 16 weeks Number of members required for passage 14 of 18 (78 percent) 7 of 12 (58 percent) Fast-tracking in House and Senate Yes Yes Amendments allowed No No Votes required to pass Congress Supermajority in each chamber Simple majority


Is the supercommittee being "set up ... to justify massive tax hikes"?

Now we get to the crux of Hasner's campaign message, that LeMieux supported "tax-raising" committees before he opposed them.

Did Congress create the supercommittee "to justify massive tax hikes"? And was raising taxes the purpose of the earlier task force that LeMieux supported?

Consider this a matter of vociferous debate.

Neither the task force nor the supercommittee proposals require tax increases. The earlier task force plan explicitly allowed for the possibility, saying that recommendations may include expenditures and revenues. Meanwhile, the supercommittee legislation requires a $1.5 trillion reduction in the deficit but doesn't prescribe how to get there. Spending cuts? Tax increases? It's up to the committee, which doesn't have to be named until Aug. 16, 2011.

In fact, depending on whom you talk to, tax increases are guaranteed, likely — or, in the case of the supercommittee, not even possible.

Hasner's campaign cited a letter from antitax activist Grover Norquist, who opposed the earlier task force proposal. Norquist said that by relying on a committee that was not explicitly barred from raising taxes, tax hikes would occur.

"Every Democrat on the commission would insist on tax increases to 'balance' spending cuts in the recommendation. There is no conceivable scenario whereby the commission would issue a report that does not contain tax hikes," he wrote.

George F. Will made a similar argument about the tax force proposal LeMieux supported: "Substantively," he wrote, "the task force would be a means of conscripting Republican participation in huge tax increases."

Ellis of Taxpayers for Common Sense disagrees with the premise that either committee was designed to justify tax increases.

"That's irresponsible fear-mongering, which is similar to those on the left saying the committee was established to slash Social Security or Medicare," Ellis said. 

He points out that only half the senators who voted against the task force proposal were Republicans.

"I don't think Sen. (Bernie) Sanders, I-Vt., was voting against the committee because he was afraid it would raise taxes," he said.

Meanwhile, the supercommittee vote actually spawned days of debate about whether it would allow for tax increases at all, much less "massive" ones. (You can read some here: Sort ofYesMaybe)

House Speaker John Boehner told his caucus it would effectively be impossible for the supercommittee to raise taxes. The White House disagreed.

The debate turned on a technical question: How would $1.5 trillion in deficit reduction be calculated?

Some said that, because the supercommittee legislation asks for estimates from the Congressional Budget Office, it would require using CBO's typical "current law" baseline — one that assumes the Bush tax cuts will expire in 2012 — as opposed to a "current policy" or "plausible" baseline that assumes that what's true now stays in place whether that requires an act of Congress or not. Others said the committee could request a different baseline.

If a current law baseline were required, Democrats wouldn't get any credit toward the $1.5 trillion for stopping or limiting the Bush tax cuts, for example, which would be presumed gone. Even if they wanted to do it anyway, increasing tax rates would get sticky. 

"The practical effect of this is that the bipartisan committee will be unable to make any recommendations regarding the Bush-era tax cuts," wrote Nick Kasprak of the business-backed Tax Foundation. "For example, let's say the committee proposes, among other things, raising the top marginal tax rate 3 percentage points, from 35 percent to 38 percent, which would bring in some amount of revenue that counts towards their $1.5 trillion assignment. 'Hold on,' says the Congressional Budget Office, 'According to our current law baseline, that rate is set to go up to 39.6 percent in 2013 when the Bush-era tax cuts expire, so this is actually a tax cut, and it makes the deficit worse.' "

One more curveball: If the supercommittee deadlocks, or Congress doesn't pass what it recommends, the Budget Control Act includes an automatic trigger to cut $1.5 trillion across the board, split evenly between defense and everything else, and protecting just Social Security, Medicaid and veterans benefits. That's right: No deal means just cuts.

The ruling

Hasner's team said, "George LeMieux voted against the majority of Republicans and joined with Democrats to create a 'Task Force For Responsible Fiscal Action' that looks strikingly similar to the 'Super Committee' now being set up in Washington to justify massive tax hikes."

LeMieux did vote against the majority of Republicans, joining with Democrats in an attempt to create a Task Force For Responsible Fiscal Action — though the proposal had more bipartisan support than Hasner's full news release suggests. Meanwhile, while the task force would have been substantially similar to the supercommittee just established by Congress, it's different enough that LeMieux could explain his change of support without a change of heart. Finally, it's a serious stretch to say the supercommittee was designed "to justify massive tax hikes." While tax increases are one plausible outcome, they aren't required, and depending on the baseline committee members choose, may not even be likely. On balance, the claim is Half True.

Our Sources

Adam Hasner for U.S. Senate, "Sen. LeMieux Was For Tax-Raising Committees Before He Was Against Them," Aug. 8, 2011

Congressional Budget Office, "CBO Analysis of Aug. 1 Budget Control Act," Aug. 1, 2011

@George_LeMieux, "Debt deal offers ... "Aug. 1, 2011, "Debt Deal No Time For Celebration," Aug. 1, 2011

U.S. Sen. Kent Conrad, "Senators Conrad and Gregg introduce new bipartisan fiscal task force legislation to confront nation's budget crisis," Dec. 9, 2009, Roll call vote on Senate Amendment 3302 to Senate Amendment 3299 to House Joint Resolution 45, accessed Aug. 8, 2011

Americans for Tax Reform, ATR Opposes Gregg-Conrad Bipartisan Tax/Spending Commission Bill, Dec. 9, 2009

PolitiFact, McConnell reverses position on Conrad-Gregg budget commission, Feb. 1, 2010

PolitiFact, DNC chairman says Republicans blocked move to cut the deficit, Aug. 18, 2010

E-mail interview with Steve Ellis, vice president of Taxpayers for Common Sense, Aug. 9, 2011

E-mail interview with Brian Seitchik, campaign manager for George LeMieux for U.S. Senate, Aug. 8-9, 2011

Interview with Rick Wilson, senior adviser to Adam Hasner for U.S. Senate, Aug. 9, 2011

Thomas, Budget Control Act of 2011, Title IV -- Joint Select Committee on Deficit Reduction, accessed Aug. 8, 2011

Thomas, Text of Senate Amendment 3302, Jan. 21, 2010

George F. Will, "An entitlement commission means even bigger government," Jan. 17, 2010

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