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If Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker isn’t trying to strip most collective bargaining rights from public employees, then why do workers keep pouring into Madison by the thousands to demonstrate against him?
Many state, local government and public school employees -- including those represented by the largest state workers union -- have said they would be willing to pay more for pensions and health insurance, as called for in a budget-repair bill introduced by Walker.
But the workers continue to protest provisions in the bill that would restrict most public employee unions to bargaining only over wages, and then only within caps.
It’s the central issue in the protests, which have drawn national attention.
And yet on the morning of Feb. 18, 2011 -- a day after Democratic state senators fled to Illinois to prevent a vote on the bill -- Walker made a startling declaration in a Milwaukee radio interview.
At the turn of the 19th century, the Republican governor told conservative talk show host Charles Sykes, Wisconsin adopted the "strongest civil service protections" in the world.
Walker then added:
"Those fully remain intact. Civil service does not get altered by the modest changes we’re talking about here. Collective bargaining is fully intact. You’ve got merit hiring, you’ve got just cause for termination and for discipline. All those things remain."
In the middle of that statement is the eyebrow-raising remark.
Collective bargaining would remain "fully intact"?
We immediately asked Walker spokesman Cullen Werwie for evidence that would back up his boss’ statement. In the crush of activity in Madison, where the state Assembly took up the budget-repair bill as Walker did the interview, Werwie had not responded by publication time.
But let’s take a look at what was said.
In contending that collective bargaining would remain fully intact, Walker mixed civil service protections with collective bargaining rights.
They are not the same.
Civil service protections
The protections are put into state law by the Legislature, or into a local ordinance by a city council, or village or town board, said public-sector employer attorney Andrew Phillips. He is general counsel for the Wisconsin Counties Association and his Mequon firm also represents municipalities and school districts.
Currently, state employees are covered by civil service, but most local government employees don’t have it and no public school employees do, Phillips said.
Phillips said civil service protections, among other things, specify employee rights to things such as vacation and overtime; prohibit termination for reasons other than just cause; and create procedures for employees to file grievances and to have those complaints heard.
What they don’t provide, he said, is any right for employees to bargain with their employers over those issues and others. The terms are set by the employer.
Collective bargaining rights
Two sections of state law -- one for state workers and one for local government and public school employees -- give public employees the right in Wisconsin to collectively bargain.
The law issues a mandate to both the employer (the government) and the collective bargaining unit (employees represented by a union).
The two sides must "meet and confer at reasonable times, in good faith, with the intention of reaching an agreement" on wages, hours, fringe benefits and conditions of employment.
In other words, the workers -- through their union -- have a say in those areas. They do not have such a say under civil service rules.
So, what would change if Walker’s budget-repair bill is adopted by the Republican-controlled Legislature?
With an amendment approved by the Joint Finance Committee, the bill would require local governments that don’t have a civil service system to establish one, according to an analysis by the nonpartisan Legislative Fiscal Bureau.
Alternatively, local governments could establish a grievance procedure that would, at minimum, address employee discipline and workplace safety, and provide for a grievance procedure for employee terminations.
Let’s return to Walker’s statement that under his changes collective bargaining remains intact.
To be sure, those rights would remain intact for the State Patrol and local police and fire department employees. They are exempt from any of the changes.
As for the rest of state, local government and public school employees, Walker’s own Feb. 11, 2011 letter to employees about his plan cited "various changes to limit collective bargaining" to the rate of base pay.
The letter also noted other changes, including limiting contracts to one year and requiring annual employee votes to retain unions.
Moreover, the bill would repeal all bargaining rights for home health care workers, University of Wisconsin System faculty and academic staff, and employees of University of Wisconsin Hospitals and Clinics.
Indeed, Walker also said in the interview with Sykes it was necessary to use his bill to strip collective bargaining rights because when it comes to money the state is broke. He added:
"What changes is the fact that no longer can our unions have a stranglehold -- not only on the state government but local government -- to force them to not alter benefit packages that are like a virus eating up our budget."
Where does that leave us?
In arguing the changes would be modest, Walker cited the civil service system and said "collective bargaining is fully in
tact." However, Walker himself has outlined how his budget-repair bill would limit the collective bargaining rights of public employees.
Indeed, it’s that provision that provoked daily demonstrations at the state Capitol and national media attention. To now say now say collective bargaining would remain "fully intact" is not just false, it’s ridiculously false.
And that means it is Pants on Fire
PolitiFact Wisconsin, "Wisconsin AFL-CIO says Gov. Scott Walker’s budget repair bill would take away all rights in the workplace for public employees,"Feb. 17, 2011
JSOnline.com, "Assembly convenes as protesters return," Feb. 18, 2011
Milwaukee Journal Sentinel,Walker calls for cuts or big layoffs, Feb. 11, 2011
WTMJ-AM, Scott Walker interview, Feb. 18, 2011
Interview, Wisconsin Counties Association general counsel Andrew Phillips, Feb. 18, 2011
Phillips Borowski law firm, budget-repair bill resources, accessed Feb. 18, 2011
Senate Bill 11, Budget repair bill, Feb. 14, 2011
Wisconsin Statutes & Annotations, State Employment Labor Relations statute
Wisconsin Statutes & Annotations, Municipal Employment Relations statute
Wisconsin Legislative Fiscal Bureau, memo on budget-repair bill, Feb. 14, 2011
Wisconsin Legislative Fiscal Bureau, memo on Senate amendment to budget-repair bill, Feb. 16, 2011
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